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I originally put it down to crossing the white line, perhaps under hard acceleration whilst overtaking. But have had megga issues on a relatively smooth flat road.

I am unable to really enjoy my car as it's not possible to exploit its ability and power. I'm pretty much determined to sell it as I find it UNSAFE and DANGEROUS.

Shame really as other wise I quite like it. Back to Audi or VW I think.
 
I drive on some pretty uneven roads and cant replicate this behaviour. You can certainly feel power shifting around the rear wheels, but nothing a couple of small corrections can't fix. Any one captured this on video? Would like to see it.
 
I originally put it down to crossing the white line, perhaps under hard acceleration whilst overtaking. But have had megga issues on a relatively smooth flat road.

I am unable to really enjoy my car as it's not possible to exploit its ability and power. I'm pretty much determined to sell it as I find it UNSAFE and DANGEROUS.

Shame really as other wise I quite like it. Back to Audi or VW I think.
I must be doing something wrong then as mine doesn't seem to exhibit this problem at all......
 
I must be doing something wrong then as mine doesn't seem to exhibit this problem at all......
Same here. My M400 occasionally feels like its shuffling the power about if I give it a bootful on less than perfect road conditions but I just tighten my grip, point the wheels forward and ride it out for a brief second. I am sorry to see so many comments of people being unable to enjoy their cars though.
 
Question:

Has anyone who feels their car does have a problem, and someone who feels their car is ok, ever tried each others car to confirm this is a car specific issue?

My car certainly can feel twitchy, nervous even, but I certainly don't feel it's ever tried to kill me!

I'm not for one minute suggesting there isn't an issue, but it would be interesting to directly compare 2 drivers and 2 different cars
 
I am angry and embarrassed to have to feedback that it was just more of the same from my newly-nominated contact, Shaani Desai. Very disappointingly, I have to report that my phone conversation came to nought yesterday.

Same story as it has been for nine weeks now: still 'investigating' - but nothing whatsoever to to tell me. And no indication whatsoever as to what form the investigation is taking, what is the reason for the delay and my request to speak to the person who is allegedly doing the investigating denied.

How long do they expect us all to wait? NINE weeks after I first wrote to them and still absolutely zero progress. And they think that is acceptable!

In the end, due to her condescending, patronising, intransigent attitude, I told her I was not prepared to speak to her any longer and put the phone down.

This is appalling customer care.

So I wrote for the third time to Andy Barratt, as follows:

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Dear Mr Barratt,

nine days later and I am still being fobbed-off in exactly the same way by Shaani Desai, your latest nominee.

I wrote to you - this being the third time - not because I expect you to roll your sleeves up and sort the problem yourself, but because I am tired of being treated with polite contempt by Ford as a company and your customer relations team in person.

However, NINE weeks after first writing to you, I have received no indication that you, as UK managing director, are the slightest bit concerned.

All I am getting are weekly phone calls telling me the problem is being investigated… but that there is nothing to tell me.

And today, when I asked for a timescale, I was told they had 'no idea'.

So to summarise:

  • I have been refused any indication of what, exactly, is being investigated and how.
  • I have been refused access to someone responsible for the alleged investigations, for an update*.
  • I am getting exactly the same deliberately unhelpful, patronising, delaying tactics I have had from day one.

I have now had the car for four months and am not able to drive it with confidence in anything other than 'around town/commuting' mode. Overtaking under acceleration is far too dangerous to even contemplate.

Following a campaign I have launched on two UK RS owner forums, more than 50 fellow owners have mailed you with the same concerns as myself in the last two weeks alone, in a bid to get you/Ford to sit up, take notice and stop denying there is a problem - as you have done for two years. Yet you persist.

So may I please ask, once again, if you could possibly spare a few minutes of your time to speak to me? How ridiculous that I am being forced to beg, repeatedly, for this.

I have no more time for any more of your call centre buffer tactics and being deliberately wheeled around in circles without ever getting any closer to a solution.

What does the owner of a brand new ÂŁ35,000 car that is only four months old have to do in order to be taken seriously by you?

Sincerely,

David Booth

* Unless, of course, I pay ÂŁ1-a-minute for the privilege!

***

Copied-in on the same e-mail were the editors of the top consumer car magazines (AutoCar, AutoExpress, Car, Evo, Fast Ford, Top Gear and WhatCar), as well as the national motoring editors at all the daily and Sunday national newspapers.

I have had a message to ring Ford back this morning already, but am not responding now until I receive a message from Barratt himself, or at the very least, someone senior from the technical department.

Nine weeks and not a sausage. What the hell are they (not) doing and what utter contempt they are still treating us with.

Put some petrol in your tanks everyone, I can feel a road trip to Brentwood coming on…
 
I have now had the car for four months and am not able to drive it with confidence in anything other than 'around town/commuting' mode. Overtaking under acceleration is far too dangerous to even contemplate.
It's really that bad? Mrs Twinfan's had the odd wiggle when booting it before we sorted it, that was all. I've put it down to not-quite-perfect tyre pressures and geometry settings combined with sensitive steering.
 
I've only had this a few times over the last 2 years but it is real and when it does happen you really must be gripping on to the wheel.

People will now reply to that and say "you can't expect to be overtaking one hand on the wheel blah blah", that is not what is being suggested.

The force of steering input required to get the car to go where YOU want it to go when this happens is a massive difference (and unexpected) to when this issue is not occurring.

I have done plenty of overtaking in 3rd gear full throttle and the issue has not occurred. As above its only happened to me a few times over 20k miles and 2 years.

So it is not a change of driving style, aggressiveness etc. It definitely feels artificial/computerized and not just tyre/road surface interaction.
 
I don't know if my rs suffers from this problem or not as i'm still running mine in.( not even been put into sport mode yet) Either way these cars are not cheap, you would think that Ford would be showing a bit more interest than they are. Judging from the reports from the people who are having the problem someone will end up being hurt or worse before they take the owners seriously. I still intend to keep my car for many years, it's a fantastic car and I love it. All the same it's not good the way Ford are treating this problem
 
I originally put it down to crossing the white line, perhaps under hard acceleration whilst overtaking. But have had megga issues on a relatively smooth flat road.

I am unable to really enjoy my car as it's not possible to exploit its ability and power. I'm pretty much determined to sell it as I find it UNSAFE and DANGEROUS.

Shame really as other wise I quite like it. Back to Audi or VW I think.
This kind of reaffirms the Audi / VW driver mentality, hand on the 12 o'clock position and boot it to overtake traffic without regard of terrain and weather conditions, with plenty of wash-out-understeer to warn you if you push your VAG mobile too fast around corners.

My RS does occasionally shuffle at WOT, but this is no where as dramatic as flooring a powerful/torquey RWD car, nor mental FWD torque steer - you should always expect the unexpected no matter what car you drive.
 
My car suffered from this i would say for the first 1k miles . Im now on 7k and the issue has gone away. There was a certain stretch of road on a bypass and everytime i drove it it was almost impossible to overtake and keep the car planted in a straight line.
I personally think its the tyres and electrics working against each other but in time the electics seem to learn not to over compensate.
Whatever it is mine seems fine now and fingers crossed wont ever come back because when it happens its ****** scary.
 
Tried it out today on single carriageway roads. The more cambered, crowned, and rutted the road the worse it was, though even then it seemed less bad the more I tried it. Could be I was getting used to it too. Using drift mode may have reduced it a bit.. On a smooth motorway entry link it didn't do it at all.

Not something I'll be repeating anyway. Too much traffic around here.
 
My car suffered from this i would say for the first 1k miles . Im now on 7k and the issue has gone away.
...then it seemed less bad the more I tried it. Could be I was getting used to it too...
...after a weekend of driving it fairly hard I cant unsettle it...
I've always thought this was the case. There's plenty of learning as time and miles pass but it's the driver and not the car doing it.

If anyone with a consistently and badly veering car can be anywhere near Goodwood at any time and wants to try a car that absolutely positively does not do it and never has you're more than welcome to try mine...equally I'd love to feel it myself so would welcome a go in your car myself in return. I genuinely think it would make for an enlightening comparison...there's plenty of roads nearby that seem exactly as described by people that suffer from this problem.

Of course and as always I'm more than happy to be proven wrong, especially if it meant Ford did fix this supposed random flaw and you could all start enjoying your cars!
 
This kind of reaffirms the Audi / VW driver mentality, hand on the 12 o'clock position and boot it to overtake traffic without regard of terrain and weather conditions, with plenty of wash-out-understeer to warn you if you push your VAG mobile too fast around corners.

My RS does occasionally shuffle at WOT, but this is no where as dramatic as flooring a powerful/torquey RWD car, nor mental FWD torque steer - you should always expect the unexpected no matter what car you drive.
I do wonder if it's this as well. My car wiggles a bit but it's nothing compared to previous cars I've owned like a Rover Tomcat, Capri or Z4MC.
 
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