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Um NO,
Do you really think I'm that stupid! Or do you not read posts correctly, I said when I blip the throttle it does it.
It's been nice on here for a few months you seemed to have disappeared, but over the last couple of days since you've been back with your typical :censored: replies this place "for me" has lost its appeal again.
Read what you wrote again,
if I dip the clutch and give it a couple of blips to make it pop I can feel the car tighten the turn, since the clutch is in it can only be the car playing with the brakes or steering.
You dipped the clutch.
 
Ok just for you, the clutch is irrelevant as it only happens when you give it some revs.
If the clutch is dipped you could rev the nuts off the engine if you wanted to, that will have no effect on the cars brakes or steering. The fact the clutch is dipped means there is no longer a driving force on the wheels, the lateral forces on the car because you are steering around a bend will be reduced and the car will turn tighter as a result.
However if the clutch is engaged and the wheels are still driven, unlike normal esp systems where braking is applied when a wheel loses traction, the RS system transfers power to the other wheels to keep the car under control.
 
unlike normal esp systems where braking is applied when a wheel loses traction, the RS system transfers power to the other wheels to keep the car under control.
Not on the front

I think what BatOutOfHell is thinking/feeling is that when free wheeling (dipped clutch) that throttle input is effecting the chassis dynamics through brake steer or something?
Well said, that's what I was trying to say.
 
I know that is what you said and I will say it again if the clutch is dipped it doesn't matter what you are doing with the engine, the engine isn't driving any wheels and can't affect the chassis or steering. Most it will do is rock on the engine mounts a little.
I assume you are on the wind up again? I would say go and try it for yourself but I know you think that the veering issue is caused by the driver inadvertently turning the steering wheel so I'm sure you will say the same about this.
 
I know that is what you said and I will say it again if the clutch is dipped it doesn't matter what you are doing with the engine, the engine isn't driving any wheels and can't affect the chassis or steering. Most it will do is rock on the engine mounts a little.
You are making an assumption that the AWD software is not reacting to the drivers throttle inputs even with the clutch dipped or in neutral.

I agree its probably (probably) not, but I could not say for sure as I dont know how the AWD vectoring software is programmed.
 
You are making an assumption that the AWD software is not reacting to the drivers throttle inputs even with the clutch dipped or in neutral.
I agree its probably (probably) not, but I could not say for sure as I dont know how the AWD vectoring software is programmed.
The AWD system responds to what is happening to each wheel. It may well be responding to the fact the clutch has been disengaged, but revving the engine whilst disengaged won't make any difference.
 
The AWD system responds to what is happening to each wheel. It may well be responding to the fact the clutch has been disengaged, but revving the engine whilst disengaged won't make any difference.
Assumption, unless you know the code for the AWD system.

I dont actually believe this my self but its not impossible that the AWD system reacts to throttle position regardless of clutch position.
 
Assumption, unless you know the code for the AWD system.
I dont actually believe this my self but its not impossible that the AWD system reacts to throttle position regardless of clutch position.
Yesterday and today, I tried a few different things driving around bends at 40-50mph.
1. Constant speed, car felt stable.
2. Accelerate around bend, car still feels stable, steers fine.
3. Take foot off accelerator, car feels slightly less stable as it slows, but nothing to worry about.
4.Dip clutch, slightly worse than just driving round bend. Nothing to be concerned about.
5. Dip clutch and rev engine, same result as 4.
 
@David Booth

Received a response today from CRC:

Thank you for your e-mail, which Andy Barratt has passed to me for attention.

Your comments about the Focus RS are noted and have been referred to subject-matter experts within Ford for investigation.

We will provide a considered reply in due course.

Kind regards,
Amy Birtles
Ford Motor Company
 
Can't believe this is still being reported as an issue after two years of nagging Ford. I sold my early car after two months because it was undriveable. Busseys (Norwich) checked it over and announced all okay. Although they did confess they knew of a few that had been sold due to the 'characteristic'.

Running a FK8 Honda Civic Type R now. IMHO it's the much better drive. Tracks straight and true despite FWD only.
 
If i wanted to put my foot down and still be able to hold my pepsi max from a mcdonalds services in my left hand, and casually hold onto the steering wheel with my right, i would have bought a Golf R.

Right or wrong i love the fact that when i floor it, the car decides if we make it or not. Character, why i bought an RS.

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this is exactly what i was thinking! makes it exciting to drive! reminds me of the torque steer in the mk1 :laughing:
 
Yesterday and today, I tried a few different things driving around bends at 40-50mph.
1. Constant speed, car felt stable.
2. Accelerate around bend, car still feels stable, steers fine.
3. Take foot off accelerator, car feels slightly less stable as it slows, but nothing to worry about.
4.Dip clutch, slightly worse than just driving round bend. Nothing to be concerned about.
5. Dip clutch and rev engine, same result as 4.
I have now carried out the same tests with the suspension in Sport and the results are pretty much the same just more stable and less body roll.
 
Wicz, Mr Group Bry and Peeler: thank you for adding your support.

Combined with those who have written from mk3focusrs.club there are now 47 people at least who have taken the trouble to let Ford know this IS a problem, in just two weeks - and that it needs a central, unified diagnosis and fix.

I received two voicemail messages yesterday from my upgraded contact at Ford which I am about to respond to after I have finished typing this update, so if I hear anything that indicates they are at last taking this seriously I will report back immediately.

If, however, it's just another re-worded fob-off, I will clearly have to move up a level and seek to get the press involved.

In the meantime, if they even dare to try to refer you back to a dealer and claim no knowledge of this dangerous flaw, simply remind them of these stats above and that you are not prepared to accept anything other than a high-level, Ford UK solution that applies to every owner.

This is NOT something that is capable of being sorted on a random, dealer-by-dealer basis. That is an attempt at damage limitation to suit them and is completely unacceptable.
 
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