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Veering steering: your support needed to get Ford to act

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hi everyone,

I have just joined this forum and am sure many of you are unfortunately over-familiar with the problem know as 'veering steering' that the Mk 3 RS is prone to?

Having found many other owners complaining about it on the Mk 3 Focus RS Club forum, which I joined a couple of weeks ago, I posted my views on there and wrote to Ford.

Not surprisingly, they made no acknowledgement of the defect - despite it being common knowledge across the whole dealership network, so I wrote to managing director, Andy Barratt.

Again, not surprisingly, he referred it down to customer services and they duly fobbed me off for eight weeks before denying it was an issue (they were aware of) and referring me back to my local dealer.

That was enough for me.

Their attempt to dismiss, divide and conquer by refusing to admit the scale of the veering steering problem is not good enough.

So, if there is the same depth of feeling on here as there is on the Mk 3 Focus RS Club forum, will you join me in trying to get this sorted?

It is evident that we have to force Ford to admit the scale of the problem - and it seems the only way that will happen is by as many of you as possible writing to them.

Here's what to do:

  1. Address your e-mail to crcmgr@ford.com - marked for the attention of Amy Birtles - and cc it to UKCRC1@ford.com plus warleyeo@ford.com and managing director, Andy Barratt abarratt@ford.com
  2. Cut and paste my suggested text from below and insert your registration number where indicated
  3. Use it as it is, or amend in any way you wish to personalise to add new points of your own
  4. Insert your name and contact details at the end
  5. Get it sent off to Ford UK as fast as possible (let's finally get some momentum going that they cannot ignore)
  6. Let me know when you have sent it, so I can co-ordinate our efforts
  7. Report back to me with any response you receive and what Ford propose to do - again so I can monitor our effectiveness

I cannot stress the importance of as many of you as possible getting behind this, as it is clear that Ford are intent on playing it down and denying the problem. They are clearly determined not to acknowledge that there is an issue and pass the buck back down to dealership level.

It is only by making a concerted, high-impact effort like this that we can begin to get them to take it seriously.

So please get behind this and rid them of the shallow, patronising excuse that this is nothing they have heard of. We know it is a prevalent and dangerous problem!

Here's the e-mail text:

I am writing to you about a potentially very dangerous flaw with my Focus RS Mk 3 (insert registration number here).

Under hard acceleration it exhibits a consistently erratic steering trait, with unwanted corrective changes in direction, resulting in a frightening high-speed loss of control.

The car arbitrarily removes driver input at the most vital point and it - rather than me - seems to decide the direction of travel. Driver control is delegated elsewhere and the car instantaneously begins switching the direction of travel from one side to the other.

On further investigation, this is commonly referred to as 'veering steering' and is causing major concern among RS owners.

In short, the car decides where it wants to go and not where I intend it to be. The steering seems to overrule my instructions. That, in turn, has forced me to make wholly unnecessary adjustments during routine overtaking manoeuvres or under acceleration.

On more than one occasion I thought my car was going to go off the road or collide with another vehicle.

After speaking to many fellow RS owners and viewing numerous forums at home and overseas, it is clear that this 'veering steering' is a very common occurrence.

Many have already taken their vehicles back to dealerships and reported that technicians all over the country are extremely familiar with the symptoms.

However, there is no sign of any official acknowledgement by Ford UK, even though each time a vehicle undergoes this sort of diagnostic analysis, the results will be communicated and logged centrally. Indeed, the feedback I have received is that it is being dismissed as one or two isolated examples.

I can assure you it is not. I am therefore asking you to investigate the problem at a higher level, instead of trying to diffuse it sporadically around your dealer network.

Put very simply, it is akin to driving on ice or through a water trap, giving me no confidence in the car whatsoever due to its unpredictability and instability.

It seems that Ford are refusing - in public at least - to acknowledge the problem and provide a solution. There is no doubt that one is very urgently needed.

This is a fundamental flaw that is in urgent need of identification and elimination before it results in a serious accident or fatality. It really is the most alarming, irrational sensation and one which makes me acutely nervous behind the wheel.

I await your response with great interest.

Kind regards

(insert your name and contact details)
 
#54 ·
Ive just emailed

I feel its a software / electrical fault as said my car goes round corners great but f&ck me is it scary to drive !!

The other day on a perfectly straight road with the steering wheel totally straight the car started veering really bad from left to right and my mate behind noticed how bad it was !!

I was actually thinking of this thread thinking to myself Ill present this thread in court when Im getting done with crashing !! Not good at all
 
#58 ·
I have noticed something strange whilst being a bit childish ( making it backfire )

Going round a long tight left hand bend at about 40/50mph downhill, if I dip the clutch and give it a couple of blips to make it pop I can feel the car tighten the turn, since the clutch is in it can only be the car playing with the brakes or steering. Not sure why or if it's related to the veering under acceleration but just another odd feeling from the car.
 
#59 ·
I have noticed something strange whilst being a bit childish ( making it backfire )
Going round a long tight left hand bend at about 40/50mph downhill, if I dip the clutch and give it a couple of blips to make it pop I can feel the car tighten the turn, since the clutch is in it can only be the car playing with the brakes or steering. Not sure why or if it's related to the veering under acceleration but just another odd feeling from the car.
As you dip the clutch the car starts to slow, it doesn't have the drive and force for it to continue on the same line. It is just the opposite of if you drove faster, the turn will become wider. Just simple physics nothing to do with the car braking etc.
 
#60 ·
As you dip the clutch the car starts to slow, it doesn't have the drive and force for it to continue on the same line. It is just the opposite of if you drove faster, the turn will become wider. Just simple physics nothing to do with the car braking etc.
Um NO,

Do you really think I'm that stupid! Or do you not read posts correctly, I said when I blip the throttle it does it.

It's been nice on here for a few months you seemed to have disappeared, but over the last couple of days since you've been back with your typical **** replies this place "for me" has lost its appeal again.
 
#61 ·
Um NO,
Do you really think I'm that stupid! Or do you not read posts correctly, I said when I blip the throttle it does it.
It's been nice on here for a few months you seemed to have disappeared, but over the last couple of days since you've been back with your typical :censored: replies this place "for me" has lost its appeal again.
Read what you wrote again,
if I dip the clutch and give it a couple of blips to make it pop I can feel the car tighten the turn, since the clutch is in it can only be the car playing with the brakes or steering.
You dipped the clutch.
 
#64 ·
Ok just for you, the clutch is irrelevant as it only happens when you give it some revs.
If the clutch is dipped you could rev the nuts off the engine if you wanted to, that will have no effect on the cars brakes or steering. The fact the clutch is dipped means there is no longer a driving force on the wheels, the lateral forces on the car because you are steering around a bend will be reduced and the car will turn tighter as a result.
However if the clutch is engaged and the wheels are still driven, unlike normal esp systems where braking is applied when a wheel loses traction, the RS system transfers power to the other wheels to keep the car under control.
 
#66 ·
unlike normal esp systems where braking is applied when a wheel loses traction, the RS system transfers power to the other wheels to keep the car under control.
Not on the front

I think what BatOutOfHell is thinking/feeling is that when free wheeling (dipped clutch) that throttle input is effecting the chassis dynamics through brake steer or something?
Well said, that's what I was trying to say.
 
#68 ·
I know that is what you said and I will say it again if the clutch is dipped it doesn't matter what you are doing with the engine, the engine isn't driving any wheels and can't affect the chassis or steering. Most it will do is rock on the engine mounts a little.
I assume you are on the wind up again? I would say go and try it for yourself but I know you think that the veering issue is caused by the driver inadvertently turning the steering wheel so I'm sure you will say the same about this.
 
#69 ·
I know that is what you said and I will say it again if the clutch is dipped it doesn't matter what you are doing with the engine, the engine isn't driving any wheels and can't affect the chassis or steering. Most it will do is rock on the engine mounts a little.
You are making an assumption that the AWD software is not reacting to the drivers throttle inputs even with the clutch dipped or in neutral.

I agree its probably (probably) not, but I could not say for sure as I dont know how the AWD vectoring software is programmed.
 
#70 ·
You are making an assumption that the AWD software is not reacting to the drivers throttle inputs even with the clutch dipped or in neutral.
I agree its probably (probably) not, but I could not say for sure as I dont know how the AWD vectoring software is programmed.
The AWD system responds to what is happening to each wheel. It may well be responding to the fact the clutch has been disengaged, but revving the engine whilst disengaged won't make any difference.
 
#71 ·
The AWD system responds to what is happening to each wheel. It may well be responding to the fact the clutch has been disengaged, but revving the engine whilst disengaged won't make any difference.
Assumption, unless you know the code for the AWD system.

I dont actually believe this my self but its not impossible that the AWD system reacts to throttle position regardless of clutch position.
 
#72 · (Edited by Moderator)
Assumption, unless you know the code for the AWD system.
I dont actually believe this my self but its not impossible that the AWD system reacts to throttle position regardless of clutch position.
Yesterday and today, I tried a few different things driving around bends at 40-50mph.
1. Constant speed, car felt stable.
2. Accelerate around bend, car still feels stable, steers fine.
3. Take foot off accelerator, car feels slightly less stable as it slows, but nothing to worry about.
4.Dip clutch, slightly worse than just driving round bend. Nothing to be concerned about.
5. Dip clutch and rev engine, same result as 4.
 
#73 · (Edited by Moderator)
@David Booth

Received a response today from CRC:

Thank you for your e-mail, which Andy Barratt has passed to me for attention.

Your comments about the Focus RS are noted and have been referred to subject-matter experts within Ford for investigation.

We will provide a considered reply in due course.

Kind regards,
Amy Birtles
Ford Motor Company
 
#75 ·
Can't believe this is still being reported as an issue after two years of nagging Ford. I sold my early car after two months because it was undriveable. Busseys (Norwich) checked it over and announced all okay. Although they did confess they knew of a few that had been sold due to the 'characteristic'.

Running a FK8 Honda Civic Type R now. IMHO it's the much better drive. Tracks straight and true despite FWD only.