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Veering steering: your support needed to get Ford to act

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hi everyone,

I have just joined this forum and am sure many of you are unfortunately over-familiar with the problem know as 'veering steering' that the Mk 3 RS is prone to?

Having found many other owners complaining about it on the Mk 3 Focus RS Club forum, which I joined a couple of weeks ago, I posted my views on there and wrote to Ford.

Not surprisingly, they made no acknowledgement of the defect - despite it being common knowledge across the whole dealership network, so I wrote to managing director, Andy Barratt.

Again, not surprisingly, he referred it down to customer services and they duly fobbed me off for eight weeks before denying it was an issue (they were aware of) and referring me back to my local dealer.

That was enough for me.

Their attempt to dismiss, divide and conquer by refusing to admit the scale of the veering steering problem is not good enough.

So, if there is the same depth of feeling on here as there is on the Mk 3 Focus RS Club forum, will you join me in trying to get this sorted?

It is evident that we have to force Ford to admit the scale of the problem - and it seems the only way that will happen is by as many of you as possible writing to them.

Here's what to do:

  1. Address your e-mail to crcmgr@ford.com - marked for the attention of Amy Birtles - and cc it to UKCRC1@ford.com plus warleyeo@ford.com and managing director, Andy Barratt abarratt@ford.com
  2. Cut and paste my suggested text from below and insert your registration number where indicated
  3. Use it as it is, or amend in any way you wish to personalise to add new points of your own
  4. Insert your name and contact details at the end
  5. Get it sent off to Ford UK as fast as possible (let's finally get some momentum going that they cannot ignore)
  6. Let me know when you have sent it, so I can co-ordinate our efforts
  7. Report back to me with any response you receive and what Ford propose to do - again so I can monitor our effectiveness

I cannot stress the importance of as many of you as possible getting behind this, as it is clear that Ford are intent on playing it down and denying the problem. They are clearly determined not to acknowledge that there is an issue and pass the buck back down to dealership level.

It is only by making a concerted, high-impact effort like this that we can begin to get them to take it seriously.

So please get behind this and rid them of the shallow, patronising excuse that this is nothing they have heard of. We know it is a prevalent and dangerous problem!

Here's the e-mail text:

I am writing to you about a potentially very dangerous flaw with my Focus RS Mk 3 (insert registration number here).

Under hard acceleration it exhibits a consistently erratic steering trait, with unwanted corrective changes in direction, resulting in a frightening high-speed loss of control.

The car arbitrarily removes driver input at the most vital point and it - rather than me - seems to decide the direction of travel. Driver control is delegated elsewhere and the car instantaneously begins switching the direction of travel from one side to the other.

On further investigation, this is commonly referred to as 'veering steering' and is causing major concern among RS owners.

In short, the car decides where it wants to go and not where I intend it to be. The steering seems to overrule my instructions. That, in turn, has forced me to make wholly unnecessary adjustments during routine overtaking manoeuvres or under acceleration.

On more than one occasion I thought my car was going to go off the road or collide with another vehicle.

After speaking to many fellow RS owners and viewing numerous forums at home and overseas, it is clear that this 'veering steering' is a very common occurrence.

Many have already taken their vehicles back to dealerships and reported that technicians all over the country are extremely familiar with the symptoms.

However, there is no sign of any official acknowledgement by Ford UK, even though each time a vehicle undergoes this sort of diagnostic analysis, the results will be communicated and logged centrally. Indeed, the feedback I have received is that it is being dismissed as one or two isolated examples.

I can assure you it is not. I am therefore asking you to investigate the problem at a higher level, instead of trying to diffuse it sporadically around your dealer network.

Put very simply, it is akin to driving on ice or through a water trap, giving me no confidence in the car whatsoever due to its unpredictability and instability.

It seems that Ford are refusing - in public at least - to acknowledge the problem and provide a solution. There is no doubt that one is very urgently needed.

This is a fundamental flaw that is in urgent need of identification and elimination before it results in a serious accident or fatality. It really is the most alarming, irrational sensation and one which makes me acutely nervous behind the wheel.

I await your response with great interest.

Kind regards

(insert your name and contact details)
 
#31 ·
Since owning this car for a short time... I *touch wood* have not experienced this either!? :wacko:
BUT I find the standard springs very bouncy at high speed even with the suspension button pressed to firm them up... :huh:

I guess I got used to Eibachs... :mellow[1]: ...other than this booting it is fine!? :huh: :woohoo:
Going for the Sport suspension button will only make them more bouncy unless the road is smooth as glass imho
 
#32 ·
This happened to me yesterday while chasing my mate in his GT3 I must say I'm starting to find the handling on B roads poor I'm hoping a change of tyres will help rectify
Question does the quafie diff help sort this issue?
I had it happen a few times, but aware of it and it wasn't a concern. However after having the new diff I doesn't move at all, just makes a great car even better!
 
#34 · (Edited by Moderator)
Thank you everyone for your contributions so far.

I accept the fact that some of you, fortunately, have not experienced the symptoms.

But judging by past threads on here many of you have and those affected will testify that it is not 'character', it is downright dangerous.

The car arbitrarily decides where it is going - in contradiction to where you point it - under hard acceleration or a rapid overtaking manoeuvre. So please, no macho posturing. This will ultimately result in some serious accidents if not sorted.

I am coping with it right now by overtaking as though driving a 1.6 Focus, not at RS, as I am genuinely scared that by dropping the car to third and attempting to fly past someone one as I should be able to without a second thought, it is not under my control at the critical point. In other words, I am not using it for one of the principal reasons I bought it.

Already more than two dozen fellow members on the Mk3 Focus RS Club forum have used my template to try to force Ford to take action: https://mk3focusrs.club/forum/topic/veering-steering-time-for-us-to-unite-and-act/ I hope you have not all tired of it on here and that I may count on your similar excellent backing too?

So please, if you have not already written to them, use my step-by-step guide and do so. Let me know when you do, so that I can monitor our actions effectively

And if you complained some time time ago and have since given up in frustration, copy, paste and click 'send' ASAP. Do not let Ford divide and conquer like this.

It is only by a concerted effort that we can get them to sit up and take notice. All they will do if not, is continue to sweep it under the carpet - in the full knowledge that we will eventually give up and go away... as has already happened on here it seems.

But that's all about to end, because I am not going to give up on this.

I hope I can count on your support.
 
#35 · (Edited by Moderator)
I have had this twice in almost 2 years of ownership and to me, it seems to be software related not hardware but I don't feel its a major problem myself. Ford went into certain detail about this newish system about how it's not AWD all the time, the majority of the time its just FWD but the system can shift power to the rear and even to the left and right of the rear when needed, or indeed not it seems. Like when we accelerate around a bend and can feel the car pushing us round rather than dragging us.

What I think is happening when I feel this 'veering' is that during a very specific set of circumstances the system shifts more power to one side than we actually want or need as we are not going around a bend, we are just pulling out for an overtake and pulling back in again but the system doesn't know this until the driver responds. This, in my case, was to simply stop accelerating. As soon as I lifted my foot off the go pedal it stabilized and the 'veering' stopped both times. Also both times it happened under the same scenario of overtaking under hard acceleration but it hasn't stopped me from driving it the way it should be driven and have performed the same maneuver countless times before and after my 'veering'.

This is not to try and downplay or rubbish anyone else's opinions and feelings on this matter as its obviously an ongoing concern for many but this is just my own personal feelings on it with my experiences that's all.
 
#40 ·
My theory is that the car has such great handling it means it's very sensitive to how it's setup. Ensuring the tyre pressures are correct and having a very accurate 4 wheel alignment done (cost me ÂŁ99) cured it on Mrs Twinfan's car.
Thats my theory as well. I really do think that the lowest recommended tyre pressures (41/38 or whatever it is?), Mountune (or other) springs and decent alignment have eliminated any issues for me personally.
 
#42 · (Edited by Moderator)
I tried that but everything was in spec - did you vary from OEM settings at all?
In spec gives quite a range of tolerance and all you can change is the toe on the RS. Mrs Twinfan's went from just out of spec (front should have had some toe-in, not zero, rear was in-spec):

Front: 0' / 0'

Rear: 04' / 09'

to

Front: 06' / 06'

Rear: 11' / 11'

This is still within spec. Like I said, the range of in-spec is quite large and you need to get it equal each side with a very accurate machine.

EDIT: Spec is 0' - 12' each side on the front (total toe between 0' and 24'), -01' to 23' (total toe between 11' and 35') on the rear!
 
#43 ·
In spec gives quite a range of tolerance and all you can change is the toe on the RS. Mrs Twinfan's went from just out of spec (front should have had some toe-in, not zero, rear was in-spec):

Front: 0' / 0'
Rear: 04' / 09'

to

Front: 06' / 06'
Rear: 11' / 11

This is still within spec. Like I said, the range of in-spec is quite large and you need to get it equal each side with a very accurate machine.

EDIT: Spec is 0' - 12' each side on the front, -01' to 23' on the rear!
@Twinfan

Interesting. When my dealer checked my wheel alignment it came back within specifications so I dismissed it as a cause of the instability. After revisiting the paperwork the front toe is almost 0' on each wheel. Anyone else had their car 4-wheel alignment done suffering this issue?
 
#48 ·
I also wonder if there is learning capability or something as my car used to do it regular when pushed on an uneven road, it would start slaloming down the road and I would back off, after a weekend of driving it fairly hard I cant unsettle it, Ive changed nothing, just driven harder than normal and I cant unsettle it.....anyone else experienced this?
 
#49 · (Edited by Moderator)
Good afternoon everyone and thank you to all those who have contributed so far.

I gather from a friend of mine at the Mk3 Focus RS Club (where I have a similar post running very successfully with more than 30 e-mails sent off to Ford within a week), that there is little appetite for the 'veering steering' problem on here nowadays - after lengthy debate about it some time ago and no action being taken?

That is re-inforced by the fact that although there has been a fair response here, only two people to far to my knowledge have actually used my template e-mail to get Ford to finally sit up and take notice?

If that is the case, then I obviously appreciate the fact that you have probably grown tired of it.

However, that is just what Ford would want.

Meanwhile, the problem goes on.

Every time I accelerate to overtake for example, instead of just focusing on my re-entry point without a second thought, my attention is elsewhere thinking about the uncertainty and instability that I am also having to deal with.

The consequence of this, as most of you know very well, is a feeling of extreme nervousness and hesitation, instead of the exhilaration we all bought this car for.

So please, do not just pass this opportunity over to finally get Ford to come to heel.

PLEASE copy my e-mail text, insert your details and send ASAP.

And let me know when you do, so I can add your name to the list and keep tabs of numbers for the next time Ford try to lie about not being aware of the problem.

This is going to be our one big chance to make them sit up, take notice and sort the problem centrally for everyone. No more: "refer back to your dealer - this is not something we have any knowledge of" nonsense any more.
 
#50 ·
I'm a cynical old fart who doesn't trust big companies (I have a Jag that's less than 3 years old yet severe rust is setting in on the underside on mine and many others but they currently don't care), but I've pinged off my email just for sh!ts and giggles.

Good work David, I wish us all the best of luck with it!