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Is the infrastructure going to be advanced enough to power every new car in ten years time? Of course at the rate the government is bringing in legislation that date may be even sooner.

Also in the current climate and the foreseeable future will anyone even be able to afford a new electric car?

 

Looks like the end of the car as we know it, will be interesting to see what happens to road tax, petrol duty and used car prices.


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Easy to answer both questions


NO and NO

Also it’s planned to ban gas for housing in the same time frame

Some bright spark also believes boats and jet planes are also going electric!

Looks like that spoiled little brat Greta has stamped her feet and bleated long enough for the masses to listen
Jesus if a kid can persuade government’s then we are all dooooooooomed
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Easy to answer both questions


NO and NO

Also it’s planned to ban gas for housing in the same time frame

Some bright spark also believes boats and jet planes are also going electric!

Looks like that spoiled little brat Greta has stamped her feet and bleated long enough for the masses to listen
Jesus if a kid can persuade government’s then we are all dooooooooomed

You will only be allowed to board a plane if you have brought 10 AA batteries with you.


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I feel sorry for kids today, they are never going to be petrol heads.


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It all sounds great on paper but I think the reality of it will be somewhat different. In my eyes, it will be a very gradual / phased change, with conventionally fuelled vehicles remaining very much on the streets. Yes, the costs of running these cars will unlikely get any cheaper, quite the opposite in fact, but nothing will change overnight. Once again, a clear example of barking up the wrong tree, but hey ho, it is what it is. 😜All my opinion of course...
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Just no new Petrol / Diesel cars from 2030, existing vehicles will continue on of course, but will they be priced off the road ? Fuel prices fell when no-one was buying during Lockdown 1 ! 

 

What about importing one from a country that doesn't have those restrictions ?


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On a slightly different tack, see pic below, showing a new electric vehicle charge point in my locality. The trouble is that this does not exist at that location, or anywhere nearby, so one cannot possibly rely on these pins in maps show such ! 

 

 

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Where is all this power coming from to charge cars, heating and just about everything else?

 



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Some bright spark also believes boats and jet planes are also going electric!

 

Nobody in their right mind would get on an electric plane even if it was possible!! :blink: :facepalm:

 

Hydrogen will be where it's at!  :excl:  :bow: :thumbsup:



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Just no new Petrol / Diesel cars from 2030, existing vehicles will continue on of course, but will they be priced off the road ? Fuel prices fell when no-one was buying during Lockdown 1 ! 
 
What about importing one from a country that doesn't have those restrictions ?

Unless it is imported as a 2and hand car (registered in another country first) I doubt you would be allowed to register it in the UK. Plus you would have to hope you can order a right hand drive car in another country.
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Unless it is imported as a 2and hand car (registered in another country first) I doubt you would be allowed to register it in the UK. Plus you would have to hope you can order a right hand drive car in another country.

 

  Japan ! Ireland ! 



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What we have at the moment isn't going to disappear anytime soon but it is absolutely not the future.



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Genuine question: there's the revenue aspect to think of, where will the government get their money from? You could argue that new car sales (conventional cars) will take a kicking in the coming years off the back of this news, and yes people will start to drift over to EV's, but again, can you expect the vast majority of motorists to fork out on a new (EV) car, if they don't actually have to?! Then there's the eventual dip in revenue that would have come from sales of fuel, from VED, etc etc... The effect on the car industry will be fascinating, that much is true.

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Tax shortfall will likely be filled by toll roads:
https://www.autocar....v-tax-shortfall

I wonder whether this will change the churn of cars created by PCP finance and whether people will hold on to their ICE vehicles in the lead up to the ban, rather than giving them back after 3 years. It could certainly be good news for the second hand car market

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Genuine question: there's the revenue aspect to think of, where will the government get their money from?.


See https://www.autocar....v-tax-shortfall

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Genuine question: there's the revenue aspect to think of, where will the government get their money from? You could argue that new car sales (conventional cars) will take a kicking in the coming years off the back of this news, and yes people will start to drift over to EV's, but again, can you expect the vast majority of motorists to fork out on a new (EV) car, if they don't actually have to?! Then there's the eventual dip in revenue that would have come from sales of fuel, from VED, etc etc... The effect on the car industry will be fascinating, that much is true.

UK car sales have already been on a downward trend even before covid, Brexit or the confirmation of bringing this forward. The original plan of 2040 was announced in 2017, bringing this earlier was actually announced around 2 yrs ago, when it was updated to include hybrids so long as they were capable of 50km (31 miles) under electric power. This new announcement is only really confirming that new hybrids can only be sold until 2035.
As far as revenue. They are looking into toll charging, VED and fossil fuel taxes are likely to be adjusted, so although you would pay more than an electric vehicle it won't be overly expensive.
There is over 40 million cars in the UK, very few are electric or hybrid, it is going to take a good few years to replace most of those cars with electric.
Based on pre covid buying patterns, Ford reckon it will be 2025 before more than half of their car sales will have some sort of electrification.
Ford have already realised that car sales are falling in many countries and are putting other measures in place to continue trying to make money with fewer car sales.
For instance, Ford have ties with the company that hires out the electric scooters in Milton Keynes, they have converted the warehouse that they were recently producing ventilators for the NHS, to maintain and repair the scooters.

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The news yesterday all about heat pumps was rather misleading as there is already a trial of hydrogen gas using existing gas pipes with modified gas boilers. Some manufacturers are already selling gas boilers suitable for hydrogen. If you look at the whole life polution costs hydrogen boilers are the clear winners. Of course non of this helps me with my twin oil fired boilers and no chance of a gas supply. My next door neighbour thought he was smart when he went heat pump until, in the depth of winter, the area outside his house was all deep frozen from the heat pump pipes running through to a field. He can't keep stock on the ice rink his field turns into either.

There is an annual toss up as to which of the three services, electricity, water and phone, will fail the most with our business line being out of action for over a week with no Openreach date for repair. We lose the power around three times a year so use a diesel generator or the tractor to keep the power on which would be very clean if we had a heat pump or electric vehicles!



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UK car sales have already been on a downward trend even before covid, Brexit or the confirmation of bringing this forward. The original plan of 2040 was announced in 2017, bringing this earlier was actually announced around 2 yrs ago, when it was updated to include hybrids so long as they were capable of 50km (31 miles) under electric power. This new announcement is only really confirming that new hybrids can only be sold until 2035.
As far as revenue. They are looking into toll charging, VED and fossil fuel taxes are likely to be adjusted, so although you would pay more than an electric vehicle it won't be overly expensive.
There is over 40 million cars in the UK, very few are electric or hybrid, it is going to take a good few years to replace most of those cars with electric.
Based on pre covid buying patterns, Ford reckon it will be 2025 before more than half of their car sales will have some sort of electrification.
Ford have already realised that car sales are falling in many countries and are putting other measures in place to continue trying to make money with fewer car sales.
For instance, Ford have ties with the company that hires out the electric scooters in Milton Keynes, they have converted the warehouse that they were recently producing ventilators for the NHS, to maintain and repair the scooters.

Sounds good, it definitely pays to be ahead of the game at the moment with a plan for the future. What will be interesting is what the impact will be on conventional fuelled vehicles and owners that want to keep their cars, classic or otherwise. The million dollar question in my eyes is will such conventionally powered cars be rendered static museum pieces or will there be a mechanism (at a cost perhaps) for owners to still use these cars as an when they want to?!

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Sounds good, it definitely pays to be ahead of the game at the moment with a plan for the future. What will be interesting is what the impact will be on conventional fuelled vehicles and owners that want to keep their cars, classic or otherwise. The million dollar question in my eyes is will such conventionally powered cars be rendered static museum pieces or will there be a mechanism (at a cost perhaps) for owners to still use these cars as an when they want to?!


With 40 million cars in the UK and sales falling, it would take something like 25 yrs to replace them all if all new car sales were electric only from now on.
There is going to be a very high percentage of ICE cars around in 2040 let alone 2030.

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As it looks as though we are all being forced down the electric car route it would be nice if a few more well designed vehicles were on offer that didn't cost a fortune.

Here are a few of the worst examples, which one would you choose the Corbin or perhaps the Gurgel no jokes about plug holes please.

 

 

https://www.gq-magaz...t-electric-cars






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